<?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?><?xml-stylesheet href="http://www.blogger.com/styles/atom.css" type="text/css"?><feed xmlns='http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom' xmlns:openSearch='http://a9.com/-/spec/opensearchrss/1.0/' xmlns:georss='http://www.georss.org/georss' xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8705661189806009418</id><updated>2011-06-06T16:48:25.155-07:00</updated><title type='text'>The Amateur Theologians Club</title><subtitle type='html'>Welcome to the blog for the Christian Education Program at Indianola Presbyterian Church. This forum was created to provide additional space/opportunity for group discussion on the topics explored by the Sunday morning adult education class. Please feel free to join the discussion either here, on Sunday mornings at IPC, or both!</subtitle><link rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#feed' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://amateurtheologians.blogspot.com/feeds/posts/default'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8705661189806009418/posts/default?max-results=100'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://amateurtheologians.blogspot.com/'/><link rel='hub' href='http://pubsubhubbub.appspot.com/'/><author><name>Jeremy</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06877782968141612438</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_qMozqiLaRjs/S9jOExWRpXI/AAAAAAAAAHw/eJ9W7rt12cE/S220/Photo+124.jpg'/></author><generator version='7.00' uri='http://www.blogger.com'>Blogger</generator><openSearch:totalResults>11</openSearch:totalResults><openSearch:startIndex>1</openSearch:startIndex><openSearch:itemsPerPage>100</openSearch:itemsPerPage><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8705661189806009418.post-5423198868122140857</id><published>2009-04-19T05:05:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2009-04-19T05:07:27.213-07:00</updated><title type='text'>It’s 2009. Do You Know Where Your Soul Is?</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/19/opinion/19bono.html"&gt;Bono's recent Op Ed in the NYT&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So much of the discussion today is about value, not values. Aid well spent can be an example of both, values and value for money.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8705661189806009418-5423198868122140857?l=amateurtheologians.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://amateurtheologians.blogspot.com/feeds/5423198868122140857/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8705661189806009418&amp;postID=5423198868122140857' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8705661189806009418/posts/default/5423198868122140857'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8705661189806009418/posts/default/5423198868122140857'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://amateurtheologians.blogspot.com/2009/04/its-2009-do-you-know-where-your-soul-is.html' title='It’s 2009. Do You Know Where Your Soul Is?'/><author><name>Jeremy</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06877782968141612438</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_qMozqiLaRjs/S9jOExWRpXI/AAAAAAAAAHw/eJ9W7rt12cE/S220/Photo+124.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8705661189806009418.post-8272386626003658093</id><published>2009-04-16T19:51:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2009-04-16T19:57:51.481-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Christian Mistake</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://blog.sojo.net/2009/04/16/a-christian-mistake/"&gt;Jim Wallis' take on the recent Newsweek cover, “The Decline and Fall of Christian America.”&lt;/a&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8705661189806009418-8272386626003658093?l=amateurtheologians.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://amateurtheologians.blogspot.com/feeds/8272386626003658093/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8705661189806009418&amp;postID=8272386626003658093' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8705661189806009418/posts/default/8272386626003658093'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8705661189806009418/posts/default/8272386626003658093'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://amateurtheologians.blogspot.com/2009/04/christian-mistake.html' title='Christian Mistake'/><author><name>Jeremy</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06877782968141612438</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_qMozqiLaRjs/S9jOExWRpXI/AAAAAAAAAHw/eJ9W7rt12cE/S220/Photo+124.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8705661189806009418.post-4430356416904559555</id><published>2009-03-16T19:31:00.001-07:00</published><updated>2009-03-18T19:38:33.039-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Prayer Watch</title><content type='html'>Hello again,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I've yet to add my notes from the second Sunday with Mary, but I wanted to get a post up about the Prayer Watch event that happened last weekend.  Several folks commented on the event during Sunday morning adult ed and I thought the blog might be a good way for folks to continue to share thoughts.  I came to the event from a couple of perspectives: 1) as someone seeking to add depth to my prayer practice, and 2) as one of the event planners, hopeful that others would find the Watch to be meaningful and community enhancing. I have to admit, I was a bit apprehensive about how it would go...but I've gotten a lot of very positive feedback from folks about how powerful an experience it was...awesome! &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I had signed up for two separate hours - an early morning stint that I did alone at home and a evening slot that I did with my daughter Sydney at the church.  I'm still processing my experiences, but in both cases I felt refreshed after the hour and during the hour, a sense of freedom...letting go of answering my phone, checking e-mail, or letting the dog out, etc. Anybody else with thoughts to share? You can do so via the "comment" option for this blog entry. Please share! &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What a great job by Susan and Betsy in setting up the prayer resource room! I captured it in video with my phone:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;object width="425" height="344"&gt;&lt;param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/WN_gatIWBL4&amp;hl=en&amp;fs=1"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/WN_gatIWBL4&amp;hl=en&amp;fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"&gt;&lt;/embed&gt;&lt;/object&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8705661189806009418-4430356416904559555?l=amateurtheologians.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://amateurtheologians.blogspot.com/feeds/4430356416904559555/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8705661189806009418&amp;postID=4430356416904559555' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8705661189806009418/posts/default/4430356416904559555'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8705661189806009418/posts/default/4430356416904559555'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://amateurtheologians.blogspot.com/2009/03/prayer-watch.html' title='Prayer Watch'/><author><name>Jeremy</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06877782968141612438</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_qMozqiLaRjs/S9jOExWRpXI/AAAAAAAAAHw/eJ9W7rt12cE/S220/Photo+124.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8705661189806009418.post-1018620441470783817</id><published>2009-03-01T13:27:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2009-03-01T19:00:33.198-08:00</updated><title type='text'>Looking at Creation</title><content type='html'>&lt;span style="font-family: arial;"&gt;Hey All,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Today we welcomed back the always engaging and knowledgeable Rev. Dr. Mary Shields for for a few sessions on creation stories in the Bible.  For those that have not participated in one of Mary's previous Adult Ed sessions at IPC, you're in for a real treat.  I mentioned the blog to Mary this morning and she wanted me to send her the URL, which I will, and I'd like to see if we can continue some of the great Sunday morning discussions via the ATC site. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We began this morning with the first two chapters of Genesis, a text that we have examined before with Mary.  I wasn't on the ball this morning and didn't bring paper/pen to take notes but here's my attempt to recall a few key points:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;ul style="font-family: arial;"&gt;&lt;li&gt;There are two accounts of the story of creation are told in the book of Genesis.&lt;sup id="cite_ref-Britannica_0-1" class="reference"&gt;&lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam#cite_note-Britannica-0" title=""&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/sup&gt; The first concerns Elohim creating the universe in six days. The second concerns Adam, Eve, and story of the Garden of Eden.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Most scholars agree that Chapter 1 was written in time of the Babylonian exile.  In fact, Mary suggested that the story was designed to be overlain on and/or as a response to the Babylonian creation myth (&lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/En%C3%BBma_Elish"&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Enûma Elish&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;) &lt;--- refer to the link for more detail.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Gen. 1: God said, ‘Let us make humankind in &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;our&lt;/span&gt; image, according to &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;our&lt;/span&gt; likeness..." an acknowledgment of the "divine council" way of thinking of Elohim as the "highest" deity among many deities.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;In Gen. 2. 7, "man" is translated from the Hebrew &lt;i&gt;adam&lt;/i&gt;...formed from the ground (&lt;i&gt;adamah&lt;/i&gt;).  Mary noted a better translation probably is "earthling".&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: arial;"&gt;Mary also touched on a concept of "seed of seed" in reference to Chapter 1, but I had to leave a few minutes early and missed this discussion.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br style="font-family: arial;"&gt;&lt;br style="font-family: arial;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: arial;"&gt;But what really struck me in looking at these two chapters again was the image from Gen. 2 of God creating humankind from the earth.  I think this is a powerful image that can be very meaningful to us to today...think Wendell Berry's mantra that the health of the people is in direct relation to the health of the land.  Healthy land = healthy people.  In a sense we are re-made from the earth every time we eat, for what is our food other than earth (soil/air/water) with a bit of sunlight? Thoughts?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br style="font-family: arial;"&gt;&lt;br style="font-family: arial;"&gt;&lt;br style="font-family: arial;"&gt;&lt;br style="font-family: arial;"&gt;&lt;br style="font-family: arial;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: arial;"&gt;&lt;br style="font-family: arial;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: arial;"&gt;   &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8705661189806009418-1018620441470783817?l=amateurtheologians.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://amateurtheologians.blogspot.com/feeds/1018620441470783817/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8705661189806009418&amp;postID=1018620441470783817' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8705661189806009418/posts/default/1018620441470783817'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8705661189806009418/posts/default/1018620441470783817'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://amateurtheologians.blogspot.com/2009/03/looking-at-creation.html' title='Looking at Creation'/><author><name>Jeremy</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06877782968141612438</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_qMozqiLaRjs/S9jOExWRpXI/AAAAAAAAAHw/eJ9W7rt12cE/S220/Photo+124.jpg'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8705661189806009418.post-4135079899339745337</id><published>2009-02-01T04:08:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2009-02-01T04:09:44.254-08:00</updated><title type='text'>Nonviolent Social Action Training and Dinner</title><content type='html'>&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Saturday, March 28th, 2009&lt;/span&gt; &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;The Interfaith Center for Peace is proud to bring Daniel Hunter of Training for Change to Columbus on Saturday, March 28th.  Daniel has led diversity, nonviolence and strategy training for a wide range of activists and social change groups.  He has done trainings on strategy and conflict transformation with various ethnic minorities in Burma/Myanmar, religious leaders in Sierra Leone and Indonesia, Naga activists in India, and environmentalists in Australia.  In addition, he has worked with a range of labor, religious, peace and justice activist organizations in the United States and Canada.   &lt;br /&gt;  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Schedule of Events:&lt;/span&gt; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;11:00 a.m.- 5:30 p.m. Intensive Workshop (limited to thirty participants):  &lt;br /&gt;Beyond marches: creating tactics that use power  &lt;br /&gt;Some activists are scared of the word "power."  Yet making social change requires us to move beyond our own circles and engage others.  It even requires breaking out of routine tactics and into tactics that challenge the status quo.  This workshop will be a chance to analyze the actions we are already doing, and assist into coming up with new tactics, appropriate to our current situations.  More than just a strategy workshop, it'll be a chance to connect with others, have some fun, and gain a new perspective on how to make social change.  Coffee, water, and snacks provided. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;6:00-8:00 p.m. Catered Dinner, Lecture, and Group Conversation:  &lt;br /&gt;Nonviolent Action: more than personal expression  &lt;br /&gt;Over the years and centuries, humankind has long been engaged in violent conflict.  Some respond with a personal commitment and discipline for disengagement from a violent world. Currently such approaches use rallies and vigils to symbolize this approach to peaceful resistance.  Yet nonviolent action is different than just personal expression -- it is a technique for waging social change.  Using past and present stories, this talk and ensuing conversation offers a challenge and advice on how to use new and old tactics for using nonviolent action to make social change.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt; &lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Location:&lt;/span&gt;  Indianola Presbyterian Church (1970 Waldeck Avenue, Columbus, 43201)&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Tickets:&lt;/span&gt; &lt;br /&gt;Workshop: $40 ($20 student/low-income) &lt;br /&gt;Dinner and Talk: $25 ($10 student/low-income)  &lt;br /&gt;Attend both events for $50 ($30 student/low-income) &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;Register by phone or email no later than Friday, March 13th&lt;br /&gt;Contacts: Pat Rose and Audra Teague &lt;br /&gt;Phone: 614.294.9019 Email: office@InterfaithCenterForPeace.org&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8705661189806009418-4135079899339745337?l=amateurtheologians.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://amateurtheologians.blogspot.com/feeds/4135079899339745337/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8705661189806009418&amp;postID=4135079899339745337' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8705661189806009418/posts/default/4135079899339745337'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8705661189806009418/posts/default/4135079899339745337'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://amateurtheologians.blogspot.com/2009/02/nonviolent-social-action-training-and.html' title='Nonviolent Social Action Training and Dinner'/><author><name>Jeremy</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06877782968141612438</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_qMozqiLaRjs/S9jOExWRpXI/AAAAAAAAAHw/eJ9W7rt12cE/S220/Photo+124.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8705661189806009418.post-4939735679093628581</id><published>2009-02-01T04:02:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2009-02-01T04:03:57.458-08:00</updated><title type='text'>CE for Febuary 1 &amp; 8</title><content type='html'>&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Issues of Darwinian Evolution and Faith&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(led by Dr. Susan Fisher, Chair, OSU Entymology Dept.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Dr. Fisher teaches Freshman Biology at OSU.  When she polls her classes, she routinely finds that 50-60% of the students reject Darwinian evolution, believing instead that humanity came into being roughly 10,000 years ago pretty much as it is today.  Dr. Fisher will help us to explore common misunderstandings of Darwin's theory as well as ways evolution is consonant with contemporary understandings of theology.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8705661189806009418-4939735679093628581?l=amateurtheologians.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://amateurtheologians.blogspot.com/feeds/4939735679093628581/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8705661189806009418&amp;postID=4939735679093628581' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8705661189806009418/posts/default/4939735679093628581'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8705661189806009418/posts/default/4939735679093628581'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://amateurtheologians.blogspot.com/2009/02/ce-for-febuary-1-8.html' title='CE for Febuary 1 &amp; 8'/><author><name>Jeremy</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06877782968141612438</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_qMozqiLaRjs/S9jOExWRpXI/AAAAAAAAAHw/eJ9W7rt12cE/S220/Photo+124.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8705661189806009418.post-8743243142558211381</id><published>2009-01-10T18:42:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2009-01-10T18:51:23.479-08:00</updated><title type='text'>What's on deck for Sunday morning adult ed...</title><content type='html'>&lt;span style="font-family: arial;"&gt;January 18, 25 &amp;amp; March 15 - Living the Questions Video Series&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;February 1 &amp;amp; 8 - Dr. Susan Fisher from OSU&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;February 15 &amp;amp; 22 - Iraqi Partnership Network Report w/ Emily Schornstein&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;March 1, 8, 22, 29 &amp;amp; April 4 - Old Testament study w/ Rev. Dr. Mary Shields&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8705661189806009418-8743243142558211381?l=amateurtheologians.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://amateurtheologians.blogspot.com/feeds/8743243142558211381/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8705661189806009418&amp;postID=8743243142558211381' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8705661189806009418/posts/default/8743243142558211381'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8705661189806009418/posts/default/8743243142558211381'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://amateurtheologians.blogspot.com/2009/01/whats-on-deck-for-sunday-morning-adult.html' title='What&apos;s on deck for Sunday morning adult ed...'/><author><name>Jeremy</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06877782968141612438</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_qMozqiLaRjs/S9jOExWRpXI/AAAAAAAAAHw/eJ9W7rt12cE/S220/Photo+124.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8705661189806009418.post-5747077991028970601</id><published>2008-12-16T18:06:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2008-12-16T18:51:35.679-08:00</updated><title type='text'>Early Christians &amp; Rome</title><content type='html'>&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;Borg &amp;amp; Crossan argue the language &lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;("Son of God", "Prince of Peace", etc.)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt; and theology used by Luke &amp;amp; Matthew was used to counter the Roman imperial theology of the time.  As an example, in the Genealogy as Destiny chapter,  they note that Luke's genealogy of Jesus (which goes back to Adam/God) was likely an attempt to "one-up" the genealogy of Caesar Augustus.  On Sunday, a question was raised about why this was necessary...why, if Jesus was a transformative figure, was this elaborate story needed?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8705661189806009418-5747077991028970601?l=amateurtheologians.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://amateurtheologians.blogspot.com/feeds/5747077991028970601/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8705661189806009418&amp;postID=5747077991028970601' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8705661189806009418/posts/default/5747077991028970601'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8705661189806009418/posts/default/5747077991028970601'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://amateurtheologians.blogspot.com/2008/12/early-christians-rome.html' title='Early Christians &amp; Rome'/><author><name>Jeremy</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06877782968141612438</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_qMozqiLaRjs/S9jOExWRpXI/AAAAAAAAAHw/eJ9W7rt12cE/S220/Photo+124.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8705661189806009418.post-6488189259193533144</id><published>2008-12-16T18:04:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2008-12-16T18:05:16.257-08:00</updated><title type='text'>We think in words?</title><content type='html'>&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;Wow, my head is still spinning from the great discussion on Sunday! How about some further discussion on Eric's comment about how we "think in words". Any comment on that? Eric shared that his experiences of God are beyond words, beyond thinking (I hope I've captured this correctly). How about you, are your God "experiences" similar?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8705661189806009418-6488189259193533144?l=amateurtheologians.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://amateurtheologians.blogspot.com/feeds/6488189259193533144/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8705661189806009418&amp;postID=6488189259193533144' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8705661189806009418/posts/default/6488189259193533144'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8705661189806009418/posts/default/6488189259193533144'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://amateurtheologians.blogspot.com/2008/12/we-think-in-words.html' title='We think in words?'/><author><name>Jeremy</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06877782968141612438</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_qMozqiLaRjs/S9jOExWRpXI/AAAAAAAAAHw/eJ9W7rt12cE/S220/Photo+124.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8705661189806009418.post-6140778328146976694</id><published>2008-12-13T16:26:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2008-12-13T18:31:45.404-08:00</updated><title type='text'>Matthew's Story Elements vs Luke's Story Elements</title><content type='html'>&lt;span style=";font-family:arial;font-size:85%;"  &gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;As discussed at the first session, we learned that the two Christmas narratives are very different and that popular/common concepts of story combine these elements without much thought to the original intent. Here is a summary of the story elements that was passed out on 11/23:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Matthew&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;ul  style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;31 verses&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;Abraham → Jesus genealogy (1:1-17)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;Angel reveals God’s plan to Joseph, not Mary. Jesus is born. (1:18-25)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;No travel to Bethlehem (already there?), no birth story, no stable.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;Wise Men &amp;amp; Herod. No specific number of wise men, not described as kings (2:1-8)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;Adoration of the Magi. Follow star to “the house”, adoration, three gifts (2:9-12)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;No shepherds&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;Herod’s plot to kill Jesus, flight to Egypt. Lives there until Herod dies (2:13-15)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;Slaughter of the infants (2:16-18)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;Return from Egypt, settle in Nazareth (2:19-23)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;No youth story&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;NEXT chapter: BANG! Jesus is doing his ministry&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;span style=";font-family:arial;font-size:85%;"  &gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;Luke&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li  style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;132 verses&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li  style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;Conception of John the Baptizer (1:5-25)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li  style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;Angel reveals God’s plan to Mary – The Annunciation (1:26-38)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li  style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;Mary’s visit to Elizabeth – The Magnificant (1:39-56)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li  style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;Birth of John the Baptizer, another miraculous birth – The Benedictus (1:57-80)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li  style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;Living in Nazareth (in Galilee), decree from Caesar Augustus, travel to Bethlehem, birth of Jesus in a stable (2:1-7)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li  style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;No Magi, no star&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li  style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;Angelic announcement to shepherds (2:8-20)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li  style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;Circumcision &amp;amp; presentation of Jesus in Temple. Simeon and Anna are there. Return to Nazareth. (2:21-39)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li  style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;No Herod, no flight&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li  style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;Jesus as youth, twelve years old at Passover in Jerusalem, gives the parents the slip, then back to Nazareth. (2:40-52)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li  style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;NEXT chapter: Baptism of Jesus&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;Jesus → Adam Genealogy (3:23-38) – not in the birth narrative&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:100%;"&gt;Borg &amp;amp; Crossan stress the importance &lt;/span&gt;of viewing each story on its own to get to the heart of their meaning.  Many of us on Sunday morning admitted that it is a struggle to keep the elements separated...so many years of melding the stories.  We discussed other "traditional" parts of the story that we we taught that are not in Matthew/Luke...the donkey, the notion that there were three "kings" (riding on camels, no less), shepherds, wise guys &amp;amp; holy family all chillin' in the stable together.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8705661189806009418-6140778328146976694?l=amateurtheologians.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://amateurtheologians.blogspot.com/feeds/6140778328146976694/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8705661189806009418&amp;postID=6140778328146976694' title='3 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8705661189806009418/posts/default/6140778328146976694'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8705661189806009418/posts/default/6140778328146976694'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://amateurtheologians.blogspot.com/2008/12/matthews-story-elements-vs-lukes-story.html' title='Matthew&apos;s Story Elements vs Luke&apos;s Story Elements'/><author><name>Jeremy</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06877782968141612438</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_qMozqiLaRjs/S9jOExWRpXI/AAAAAAAAAHw/eJ9W7rt12cE/S220/Photo+124.jpg'/></author><thr:total>3</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8705661189806009418.post-6220952412591949037</id><published>2008-12-08T17:06:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2008-12-08T17:08:33.625-08:00</updated><title type='text'>The First Christmas (Leaders: Eric Anderson &amp; Jeremy Carroll)</title><content type='html'>&lt;strong style="font-family: arial;"&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: arial;"&gt;November 30 through January 11&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This class will be a book study of &lt;/span&gt;&lt;u style="font-family: arial;"&gt;The First Christmas: What the Gospels Really Teach about Jesus' Birth&lt;/u&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: arial;"&gt; by Marcus Borg and John Dominic Crossan along the lines of the study this past Lent of their book &lt;/span&gt;&lt;u style="font-family: arial;"&gt;The Last Week&lt;/u&gt;&lt;span style="font-family: arial;"&gt;.  From the book flyleaf:  "As they did for Easter in their previous book… here they explore the beginning of the life of Christ, peeling away the sentimentalism that has built up over the last two thousand years around this most well-known of all the stories to reveal the truth of what the gospels actually say.  Borg and Crossan help us to see this well-known narrative afresh by answering the questions, 'What do these stories mean?' in the context of both the first century and the twenty first century."&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/8705661189806009418-6220952412591949037?l=amateurtheologians.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://amateurtheologians.blogspot.com/feeds/6220952412591949037/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8705661189806009418&amp;postID=6220952412591949037' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8705661189806009418/posts/default/6220952412591949037'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/8705661189806009418/posts/default/6220952412591949037'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://amateurtheologians.blogspot.com/2008/12/first-christmas-leaders-eric-anderson.html' title='The First Christmas (Leaders: Eric Anderson &amp; Jeremy Carroll)'/><author><name>Jeremy</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06877782968141612438</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_qMozqiLaRjs/S9jOExWRpXI/AAAAAAAAAHw/eJ9W7rt12cE/S220/Photo+124.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry></feed>
